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RangerGrant's avatar

Hey Ryan, I've been following your posts for a few months now and have found them incredibly insightful! I was a nondenominational evangelical pastor for several years and just converted to Catholicism a couple years ago.

I was initially surprised by the amount of Catholic clergy who indicated they would perform a same-sex "wedding" ceremony, but I think considering how the question was worded might clear up some of the seeming contradiction between priests and Catholic teaching. I could easily see this being a confusing and difficult question for some Catholics to answer in light of what we believe about the authority of Church teaching.

They responded to the question: Would you perform the wedding of a same-sex couple if your religious group allowed it? We believe that the Catholic Church cannot err in her teachings because Christ promised the gates of Hades wouldn't prevail against her (Matt. 16:18), she is guided by the Holy Spirit into all truth (John 16:13), and that the Church is the pillar and bulwark of truth (1 Tim. 3:15). Therefore if the Church permitted so called same-sex weddings, then we would trust that the Holy Spirit is guiding the Church to that conclusion and align ourselves with that teaching regardless of personal preference. However, this is an impossibility because we believe that the Church cannot change her teaching and contradict that which she received from Christ and His Apostles (which is why the question is difficult as a Catholic).

The question is an impossible hypothetical akin to asking what would my kids' personalities be like if they had a different father. Well... they wouldn't be my kids nor would they exist if they had a different father! Likewise, the Catholic Church would not be who she is and who faithful priests recognize her as if she changed her teaching and permitted same-sex marriage: it's a logical impossibility.

In short, I could see faithful Catholic priests struggling to answer this impossible hypothetical from 3 perspectives.

1)Yes; If the Catholic Church was somehow permitting this, then it would somehow be permissible (maybe this would mean that from the beginning God permitted same-sex "marriage").

2)No; If the Catholic Church somehow permitted this, then the Church wouldn't be who I believe she is, and I'd stay true to historic orthodox Christian beliefs.

3) I reject the premise of this question because it presumes a logical impossibility and I can't give an intelligible answer.

Hope this is helpful to consider! Thanks for all you do.

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Spouting Thomas's avatar

The Mainline level of opposition was surprisingly high to me, but this was before the UMC split. I’d be very curious what that looks like now, or how it would look by denomination.

I agree that the Roman Catholic number is high. Which on one hand reinforces my idea that sociologically it’s kind of like a Mainline church and a traditional church lumped together under one roof, with rules that are really hard to change. But on on the other hand I wonder to what degree this is rooted in obedience to the church and in unity.

A Protestant pastor saying he would perform same sex marriages if he were allowed is telling you that he is basically lobbying for this and will vote for it if ever given the opportunity. A Roman Catholic priest may also be telling you that, or he may simply be indicating that he will remain obedient even if he has personal doubts over the policy, that he will not schism — a word that is much dirtier to Roman Catholics than Protestants.

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